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Corey
Through a little bit of confusion, Gentoo 2004.0 was released yesterday, in what people joked as the biggest version number inflation since Slackware. (Going from 1.4 to 2004.0)

Gentoo is the premeir source-based distribution available today. It features a large community, stable software and a BSD ports-like package management system.

I've been a full-fledged Gentoo user since I switched from Debian in August of last year. Since this time, I've fell in love with how organized and easy Gentoo is once it's installed.

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"Gentoo Linux is proud to announce the release of Gentoo Linux 2004.0 for the x86, AMD64, PowerPC, Sun SPARC, and SGI MIPS architectures. Additionally, the Gentoo Hardened team is announcing the inaugural release of a security-enhanced Gentoo platform for the x86 architecture. In addition to many bugfixes and security updates since the 1.4 release, Gentoo Linux 2004.0 contains a cutting-edge development toolchain and user environment including, but not limited to, Linux kernel 2.6.3, GCC 3.3.2, GLIBC 2.3.2, KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4.2, and xfce4."


Here is the press release:
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Author: John Davis, Gentoo Release Operations Manager

For immediate publication:

Gentoo Linux is proud to announce the release of Gentoo Linux 2004.0
for the x86, AMD64, PowerPC, Sun SPARC, and SGI MIPS architectures.
Additionally, the Gentoo Hardened team is announcing the inaugural release
of a security-enhanced Gentoo platform for the x86 architecture.

In addition to many bugfixes and security updates since the 1.4 release,
Gentoo Linux 2004.0 contains a cutting-edge development toolchain and user
environment including, but not limited to, Linux kernel 2.6.3, GCC 3.3.2,
GLIBC 2.3.2, KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4.2, and xfce4.

We are pleased to announce the new Gentoo Store [1].  Available
at the Gentoo Store are Gentoo Linux LiveCDs that come complete
with the on-CD Gentoo Installation Handbook, 2004.0 Release Notes [2]
and optimized pre-compiled binary packages. Users who want to
stay up-to-date for 2004 can purchase a subscription
that offers the shipment of each quarterly 2004.x release sent straight to their door.
Those wishing to donate to Gentoo Linux can now do so in an easy and secure manner
utilizing the new donation system. The Gentoo Store accepts PayPal, Visa,
Mastercard, and Discover for both orders and donations.

Gentoo Linux 2004.0 marks the debut of Catalyst, the new Gentoo release meta-tool. Using
Catalyst, developers and users can create and customize every aspect of
their Gentoo Linux system; from installation stages, to bootable LiveCDs, to
customized binary packages for the Gentoo Reference Platform (GRP). For more
information on Catalyst, please see the Catalyst project page and online
documentation [3].
hughesjr
I will be doing my emerge -Ud world tonight on my Gentoo test system to get it squared away.

I also like Gentoo ... my only problem is the time required to do the compiles. I may try gentoo on my dual processor Myth-TV machine. (It right now has Fedora Core 1 ... and had Debian SID ... but I actually had a couple problems with SID and switched to Fedora Core).
hughesjr
My emerge was successful !

I now have a 2.6.3-gentoo-r1 kernel working great on my test machine {sound (SB Live!) via ALSA, nvidia drivers for video}.

Gentoo's genkernel is a pretty good utility!

I am going to d/l the ISO and try an install on my Myth-TV (dual xeon processors, smp kernel) machine later today I think.
Corey
Do what I do for your long compiles, put those spare computers to work with distcc. I use my computer, my server, my second client, and my roomates computer (without him knowing of course) to compile all my software smile.gif

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml
hughesjr
I use distcc as well and I distribute it across 6 computers ... but some items won't compile that way (like mozilla and gcc). Without Distcc, I probably wouldn't use gentoo on for anything important! biggrin.gif
hughesjr
OK ... I have just started a stage 1 install from the Minimal install ISO for Gentoo 2004.0. I'll let you know how it goes.
hughesjr
Let me say here that the install was fun ... I don't yet have X installed, but I do have a fully functional SMP kernel compiled that shows both processors, has all the ALSA sound modules loading for the installed sound card and bt87x(the audio on the tv card), bttv (for my TV tuner), uses all 3gb of my installed RAM, etc.

The kernel I choose was gentoo-dev-sources ... it is the gentoo-sources mods built on a 2.6 kernel ... the current version is 2.6.3-gentoo-r1.

My machine has never run faster!

I'll start a thread about the install of Gentoo 2004.0 in the Reviews section soon....including some pointers I found along the way!
rockstar
I have read a lot about Gentoo, but from a person who feels fairly comfortable with Linux (fairly being the operative word here of course) it looks like a MAJOR pain in the butt to install. I am running RH 9 Pro and Suse 9 Pro and like Suse MUCH better than RH 9.

I am always open to the cutting edge, but from reading on Gentoo's site, this looks rather intimidating for someone with my Linux skill set.

Any advice, opinions or bashing is accepted.................. biggrin.gif


Rockstar
hughesjr
I really like gentoo ... and I learned alot about linux the first time I installed it (version 1.2 I think). The only thing I ever did that taught me more about linux was going through an install of LinuxFromScratch....

Don't do it on a machine you have to have running today! (It took me 3 days to do a stage 1 install on a dual P4 xeon processor machine with U160 hard drives and zero problems!) .... but if you can follow the directions in the install manual, gentoo is fun to install ... and the workstation you get is usually faster than either RedHat or SuSE (if you have a p3, p4, or AMD Athlon processor) because all the packages are compiled with optimizations for your processor and not just an i586 (or even worse an i386).

Just for information, I used these settings in my /etc/make.conf for a Pentium 4 chip:
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CFLAGS="-Os -march=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -msse -mmmx -msse2"

CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"

CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"

MAKEOPTS="-j3"

USE="wxwindows samba mozilla gtk2 cdr dvd alsa bonobo videos oss mysql"


I also like the selection of software available ... the only other comparable distro is Debian SID using apt-get ... pretty much everything you want is in portage and you can install it with:

emerge -uD package_name

And while the updates take a while to run in the backgound ... after the machine is up and running, normally the other updates will just run in a terminal window while you are doing other things on the machine .... You just may have to restart X if you have an XFree86 update or restart the computer if X or Gnome or KDE changed, etc... when all the updates are complete.

I would recommend it as the next level for someone who wants to get better at installing and maintaining Linux....
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I would not personally use it on a production Server ... I would certianly use it on a production workstation.
Corey
QUOTE (rockstar @ Mar 9 2004, 09:38 PM)
I have read a lot about Gentoo, but from a person who feels fairly comfortable with Linux (fairly being the operative word here of course) it looks like a MAJOR pain in the butt to install. I am running RH 9 Pro and Suse 9 Pro and like Suse MUCH better than RH 9.

I am always open to the cutting edge, but from reading on Gentoo's site, this looks rather intimidating for someone with my Linux skill set.

Well, I will admit, there is a bit of effort involved to getting Gentoo off the ground, but after you get the major stuff compiled (that being KDE and X), it is smooth sailing from there. I found my gentoo system to be fast and very stable. The docs that come with it are amazingly well done, and the Gentoo forums are an excellent source of information (especially the Documentation Tips and Tricks).

As for cutting edge, Gentoo *can* be cutting edge when you want it to be. I installed Gentoo back in Septmeber, and haven't upgraded all my packages, just packages that i knew would make a big difference (like KDE). So, you don't really need to be updating your packages all the time if you don't want to (unless they're security updates of course).
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