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studmuffin007
post May 28 2006, 04:45 AM
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Ok ive done it ive managed to get online with my wirless connection now i am online how do install the programs i have DL some are in tar.gz format and i also have to install flash player aswell every thing is stored on my desktop.

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post May 28 2006, 04:52 AM
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See http://wiki.linuxhelp.net/index.php/Softwa...re_Installation for a run-down of Linux software installation

Flashplayer comes with quite good installation instructions. I cant be more speciific unless I know more baout your scenario. Ie which web browser do you want to install flash in, which distribution are you using, what are you trying to install, have you tried using your distributions pre-packaged software etc.

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post May 28 2006, 05:01 AM
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thanks i am using mandriva and i am very very new to linux
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post May 28 2006, 05:08 AM
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The page I referenced has some info speciifc to mandriva, so if you use the page it links to (easyurpmi) you should be able to installa quite a lot of software through the control centre. Flash player is pretty easy to get going on Mandriva (Mandriva is pretty nice really, it doesn't have too many quirks like Fedora or Ubuntu [which make it hard to use generic approaches] and it has lots of GUI tools to help make tihngs easy). Bascially, you just copy and paste some files fo the flash-player bundle you downloaded, into the plugins directory of your web-browser, but like I said, it has instructions. If you're relaly not happy doing it, there is also a little script that does it for you, which provided you know what the "console" is, might be the easier approach.

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post May 28 2006, 05:57 AM
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ok i can only asume all DL for linux come in the tar.gz format i have flash player and bit tornado and am unable to install either of them ive tried using rpmdrake and seem to get knowhere

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post May 28 2006, 07:42 AM
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There are plenty of pieces of software availae in rpm format. Like I said, your best bet for instlaling rpms is to use easyurpmi to get the additional software sources added to rpmdrake, so that you can install from internet sources.

A tar.gz is gzip'ed tar file. A tar file is just like one file which contains others (like a windows cabinet file) and the gzip ads compression, so essentially a tar.gz is a zip file. You should be able to extract it using a program like Ark, or browse it and treat it like a folder using Konqueror. IF you use konqueror, then you can just copy & paste files/directories from indide the tar file into the "real" filesystem. If memoeyr serves correctly, you need to copy libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt from the archive into the plugins subdirectory of your browser. If you are using firefox, and it is the version supplie with Mandriva then that's probably /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox-1.0.6/plugins (NB - You will need to be the root user to put files into that directory, and you'll also need to make sure that the files you put in there can be read by all users on the system).

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Just to add: You can check if Firefox recognises that the plugin is installed by typing "about:plugins" into the address bar.

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post May 28 2006, 09:11 AM
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thanks for that the flash player plugins are there but i am still stuck on how to install progs i followed that link given earlyer and could not understand it? (i'm a bit thick when it comes to linux) as i have only been using it properly since yesturday morning

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Bascially, software either comes as a per-compiled binary or as source code. Not sure how much you know about programming, so I'll give you a brief rundown about what the difference is.

Most software is programmed in a so-called "high-level" (third generation) programming language. These languages are designed to be easy for humans to understand, and cannot be understood by computers. They are essentially lists fo comamnds in pseudo-english that define the steps which the computer needs to take to accomplish a task. To convert these human-readbale steps into something a computer's microprocessor can understand, they ned to be converted into the basic instructions which are understood by the CPU. This is called compilation, and it turns the high-level code into a string of 1s and 0s which represent instructions and data to the computer. This process is not reversible. Generally, when you purchase a piece of software you only get a copy of the compiled binary (binary because it is made of 1s and 0s) and not the source code, because the source code caontains information about the techniques used by the software developer, which could be patented or trade-secrets. This also prevents you modifying the software.

Here is where open-source software differs. You probably know that Linux is available to anyone, and can be modified to suit a particular task as long as any changes that are made are not sold without being available for free (NB - It is not compulsory to make changes available, but it is to make them available freely if you give them away at all.) This is accomplished by making the source code itself available to anyone. So, in addition to being able to get precompiled version of programs in RPM format (RPM is a format which tells the installaer what other tihngs need to be installed, so that an mp3 player doesnt need to ship with all the mp3-decoding stuff in it, it can just reference a pre-written program or "library"), you can also get the source code for the programs. If you DO get the source code (and sometimes there isnt an RPM available, so you'll have to) you can normally compile it pretty easily yourself. Generally the software comes with instructions about how to do this. You will need a compiler (a program that converts the human-readable stuff into computer-understandable stuff) and the other little utilites that are needed to compile modern computer software (linkers, assemblers, syntax-checkers etc.). Luckily this is also pretty simple, the GNU Compiler Collection is a big colelction of compilers which can compile quite a lot of different languages. To install it, just install "gcc" (might have a slightly different name, but gcc should be in there somewhere) from the Mandriva control centre (software installation module).

Have you managed to unpack the files you downloaded? If so, you will probably find the instructions pretty easily. Just a couple of things that might catch you out:

1 - When you run "make isntall" (usually the last part of compilation) you need to be running as the root user (you can type "su" into a terminal to get root privileges) so that the peogram can put the various bits into the system folders
2 - Unpack the files as your normal user, so that the files and directories that are created are writable by the user that is compiling the software. Fialing that, just do the whole process as root (it is safer to only be root when absolutely necessary though).

Which country are you in? I'll find the commands that you need to run to set-up your software repositories so that you can install software off the internet via the control centre, but I need to know which software mirrors are closest to you.

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post May 28 2006, 12:09 PM
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I live in the UK ive just read on the net that suse is easyer to install progs with 1 problem though it was easyer to get online with Mandriva than suse and secondly suse will not install on my laptop (wireless card prevents it) wich is where i want it as i write this i am on my tower testing linux untill i can figure out how to install it on my laptop (without the need to by a new wireless card) which i think i may need to do

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post May 28 2006, 12:42 PM
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It is not difficult to install programs on Mandriva, and I doubt you will have any more luck with Suse. You cant expect to understand 100% in your first week or so, it takes some time.

Open a root console (start a console emulator like KDE's "konsole" then type "su -" to get root access). Copy and paste the following commands into it (you can do them all at once, but you may need to press enter after the last one)

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urpmi.addmedia plf-free ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/logiciel-libre/plf/mandriva/free/2006.0/i586 with synthesis.hdlist.cz
urpmi.addmedia plf-nonfree ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/logiciel-libre/plf/mandriva/non-free/2006.0/i586 with synthesis.hdlist.cz
urpmi.addmedia --update updates ftp://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/Mandrakelinux/official/updates/2006.0/main_updates/ with media_info/synthesis.hdlist.cz
urpmi.addmedia main ftp://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/Mandrakelinux/official/2006.0/i586/media/main with media_info/synthesis.hdlist.cz
urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/Mandrakelinux/official/2006.0/i586/media/contrib with media_info/synthesis.hdlist.cz


If it all goes OK, you can go into the control centre, type the name of the package you want to isntall and there is a good chance it will be available to you without needing to download it or compile it manually.

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post May 28 2006, 01:03 PM
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thanks for that i will give it a try and let you know how i get on (back on the laptop in windows) looking to solve wireless problem

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let us know how it goes.
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will do wont be till monday afternoon BST
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post May 29 2006, 08:54 AM
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Ok ive done what DS2K3 advised i then in (mandriva) went to sytem/cofiguration/packading /install software and i got torrent software AND the most inportant 1 which i DL from there websit was BLENDER which i need for my college work ive deleted the DL as i did it the easy way.

just to clear things up if there is software out here for linux thats all i have to do is use rpmdrake in mandriva and not got to the websites and make life hard cos ifs thats the case then thats what i will do from now on. (May need help in the future with wine and another piece of software that will run adobe PS under linux)

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post May 29 2006, 09:18 AM
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can any 1 recomend a good torrent client? available to DL in rpmdrake in mandriva

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You can install the official version pretty easily - It comes packages as an RPM Which is what Mandriva uses to distribute softwrae.

Just download http://download.bittorrent.com/dl/BitTorre...rent-Stable.rpm
Then double-click it to install (you'll need to enter root password, and it might install some other bits from the Mandriva CD, but should all be automated for you)

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In fact, it seems that the official bit-torrent client can be installed from rpmdrake... (Website version might be more up-to-date though)

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got it now thanks very much
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