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Rayman
post Jan 11 2004, 01:03 PM
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Hi, I recently installed Mandrake 9.2 on my PC.

The system Specs are Below:
633 mhz Intel Celeron
256 mb RAM
10 gb HD (I have another, that Windows runs on, and it is 80)
Radeon 7500 64mb Video Card (PCI)
Royal Information Electronics TRL/RIC DH-1764M/DH-1764 (Monitor)



The problem is when I get ready to, I'm guessing login, the monitor turns off. I have searched and found some different things like changing your graphics settings. I tried using a few commands, but when I login on the root account, and get into the command line and try to enter the commands Linux says that their all unknown. unsure.gif

Then again I thought that maybe it was Mandrake, so I installed Red Hat 9.0.
It does the same thing, so I'm thinking that its a driver or display hardware problem.

But the ironic thing is that when I was learning Linux, I used Knoppix and ran it right off the CD. It worked fine, and I could login and do anything it allowed within its own restrictions, since it was on a CD.

Could anyone help me or provide any type of support for this. The commands were some like XFdrake, from what I remember. If anyone could leave a detailed guide for a newbie like me, that would be greatly appericiated. Or do you guys know any permanent Linux distrobutions that are good with hardware and will work. Seeing a Knoppix did. biggrin.gif


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post Jan 12 2004, 10:39 PM
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boot from the knoppix cd and see what the /etc/X11/XF86Config file has in it for these sections (video card and monitor):

Here is an example from my redhat install:

CODE
Section "Monitor"
       Identifier   "Monitor0"
       VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
       ModelName    "NEC MultiSync E1100"
       DisplaySize  400        300
       HorizSync    31.0 - 82.0
       VertRefresh  55.0 - 120.0
       Option      "dpms"
EndSection
                                                                               
Section "Device"
       Identifier  "Videocard0"
       Driver      "nvidia"
       VendorName  "Videocard vendor"
       BoardName   "NVIDIA GeForce FX (generic)"
EndSection


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post Jan 15 2004, 05:02 PM
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Ok, I'm on Knoppix now and here is the contents of the Xf86Config-4 File.

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Section "Monitor"
    Identifier    "Monitor0"
    Option    "DPMS"    "true"
    VendorName    "TRL"
    ModelName    "TRL0510"
    HorizSync 30 - 70 # DDC-probed
    VertRefresh 50 - 160 # DDC-probed


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Section "Device"
    ### Available Driver options are:-
# sw_cursor is needed for some ati and radeon cards
Option "sw_cursor"
       #Option     "hw_cursor"
       #Option     "NoAccel"
       #Option     "ShowCache"
       #Option     "ShadowFB"
       #Option     "UseFBDev"
       #Option     "Rotate"
    Identifier  "Card0"
# The following line is auto-generated by KNOPPIX mkxf86config
    Driver      "radeon"
    VendorName  "All"
    BoardName   "All"
#    BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection


Exactly which file do you need?? The Xf86Config, because on another topic, on another forum a guy asked for my Xf86Config-4 file.


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post Jan 15 2004, 05:05 PM
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Here is the contents of the XF86Config file. (It's a little long, like most of the file. I didn't know what to put, so I put it all here.)

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Section "Monitor"
    Identifier   "Monitor0"
    VendorName    "TRL"
    ModelName    "TRL0510"
    HorizSync 30 - 70 # DDC-probed
    VertRefresh 50 - 160 # DDC-probed
    # These are the DDC-probed settings reported by your monitor.
    # 1024x768, 85.0Hz; hfreq=68.68, vfreq=85.00
    ModeLine "1024x768"  94.50 1024 1072 1168 1376  768  769  772  808 +hsync +vsync
    # 1024x768, 75.0Hz; hfreq=60.02, vfreq=75.03
    ModeLine "1024x768"  78.75 1024 1040 1136 1312  768  769  772  800 +hsync +vsync
    # 800x600, 85.0Hz; hfreq=53.67, vfreq=85.06
    ModeLine "800x600"  56.25  800  832  896 1048  600  601  604  631 +hsync +vsync
    # 800x600, 75.0Hz; hfreq=46.88, vfreq=75.00
    ModeLine "800x600"  49.50  800  816  896 1056  600  601  604  625 +hsync +vsync
    # 800x600, 60.0Hz; hfreq=37.88, vfreq=60.32
    ModeLine "800x600"  40.00  800  840  968 1056  600  601  605  628 +hsync +vsync
    # 640x480, 85.0Hz; hfreq=43.27, vfreq=85.01
    ModeLine "640x480"  36.00  640  696  752  832  480  481  484  509 -hsync -vsync
    # 640x480, 75.0Hz; hfreq=37.50, vfreq=75.00
    ModeLine "640x480"  31.50  640  656  720  840  480  481  484  500 -hsync -vsync
    # 640x480, 60.0Hz; hfreq=31.47, vfreq=59.94
    ModeLine "640x480"  25.17  640  648  744  784  480  482  484  509 -hsync -vsync
    # Extended modelines with GTF timings
    # 640x480 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 50.90 kHz; pclk: 43.16 MHz
    ModeLine "640x480"  43.16  640 680 744 848  480 481 484 509  -HSync +Vsync
    # 768x576 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 35.82 kHz; pclk: 34.96 MHz
    ModeLine "768x576"  34.96  768 792 872 976  576 577 580 597  -HSync +Vsync
    # 768x576 @ 72.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 43.27 kHz; pclk: 42.93 MHz
    ModeLine "768x576"  42.93  768 800 880 992  576 577 580 601  -HSync +Vsync
    # 768x576 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 45.15 kHz; pclk: 45.51 MHz
    ModeLine "768x576"  45.51  768 808 888 1008  576 577 580 602  -HSync +Vsync
    # 768x576 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 51.42 kHz; pclk: 51.84 MHz
    ModeLine "768x576"  51.84  768 808 888 1008  576 577 580 605  -HSync +Vsync
    # 768x576 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 61.10 kHz; pclk: 62.57 MHz
    ModeLine "768x576"  62.57  768 816 896 1024  576 577 580 611  -HSync +Vsync
    # 800x600 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 63.60 kHz; pclk: 68.18 MHz
    ModeLine "800x600"  68.18  800 848 936 1072  600 601 604 636  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1024x768 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 81.40 kHz; pclk: 113.31 MHz
    ModeLine "1024x768"  113.31  1024 1096 1208 1392  768 769 772 814  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1152x864 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 53.70 kHz; pclk: 81.62 MHz
    ModeLine "1152x864"  81.62  1152 1216 1336 1520  864 865 868 895  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1152x864 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 77.10 kHz; pclk: 119.65 MHz
    ModeLine "1152x864"  119.65  1152 1224 1352 1552  864 865 868 907  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1152x864 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 91.50 kHz; pclk: 143.47 MHz
    ModeLine "1152x864"  143.47  1152 1232 1360 1568  864 865 868 915  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1280x960 @ 72.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 72.07 kHz; pclk: 124.54 MHz
    ModeLine "1280x960"  124.54  1280 1368 1504 1728  960 961 964 1001  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1280x960 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 75.15 kHz; pclk: 129.86 MHz
    ModeLine "1280x960"  129.86  1280 1368 1504 1728  960 961 964 1002  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1280x960 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 101.70 kHz; pclk: 178.99 MHz
    ModeLine "1280x960"  178.99  1280 1376 1520 1760  960 961 964 1017  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1280x1024 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 108.50 kHz; pclk: 190.96 MHz
    ModeLine "1280x1024"  190.96  1280 1376 1520 1760  1024 1025 1028 1085  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1400x1050 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 65.22 kHz; pclk: 122.61 MHz
    ModeLine "1400x1050"  122.61  1400 1488 1640 1880  1050 1051 1054 1087  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1400x1050 @ 72.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 78.77 kHz; pclk: 149.34 MHz
    ModeLine "1400x1050"  149.34  1400 1496 1648 1896  1050 1051 1054 1094  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1400x1050 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 82.20 kHz; pclk: 155.85 MHz
    ModeLine "1400x1050"  155.85  1400 1496 1648 1896  1050 1051 1054 1096  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1400x1050 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 93.76 kHz; pclk: 179.26 MHz
    ModeLine "1400x1050"  179.26  1400 1504 1656 1912  1050 1051 1054 1103  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1400x1050 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 111.20 kHz; pclk: 214.39 MHz
    ModeLine "1400x1050"  214.39  1400 1512 1664 1928  1050 1051 1054 1112  -HSync +Vsync
    # 1600x1200 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 127.10 kHz; pclk: 280.64 MHz
    ModeLine "1600x1200"  280.64  1600 1728 1904 2208  1200 1201 1204 1271  -HSync +Vsync
EndSection

Section "Device"
   Identifier    "My Video Card"
   VendorName    "Unknown"
   BoardName     "Unknown"
#     TextClockFreq  22.175
EndSection


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Just for reference ... The files XF86Config-4 and XF86Config are both setup files for XFree86. On a normal install, one (or both) are in /etc/X11.

XF86Config was (before XFree86 4.x) the config file name ... after XFree86 4.x, the default file name was changes to XF86Config-4; however, XF86Config will be used by XFree86 4.x if there is not a XF86Config-4 file in the /etc/X11 directory. Some distros use XF86Config-4, others use XF86Config.

SO ... if you have a file named XF86Config-4 then that is the proper file ... if you don't have XF86Config-4, then XF86Config is the proper file....
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Your monitor looks good in the mandrake file ... the video card does not.

Add the line:

Driver "radeon"

to the Identifier "My Video Card" device like this:

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Section "Device"
  Identifier    "My Video Card"
  VendorName    "Unknown"
  BoardName     "Unknown"
  Driver      "radeon"
#     TextClockFreq  22.175
EndSection


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post Jan 16 2004, 07:54 AM
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Ummmm, this isn't the Mandrake file, this is the Knoppix file. If I wanted to get the Mandrake one, how do I go about doing that. Heh, sorry if you misunderstood me. unsure.gif


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post Jan 16 2004, 04:28 PM
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Here is the actual file.

CODE
File generated by XFdrake.

# **********************************************************************
# Refer to the XF86Config man page for details about the format of
# this file.
# **********************************************************************

Section "Files"
   # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)
   # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of
   # the X server to render fonts.
   FontPath "unix/:-1"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
   #DontZap # disable <Crtl><Alt><BS> (server abort)
   #DontZoom # disable <Crtl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> (resolution switching)
   AllowMouseOpenFail # allows the server to start up even if the mouse doesn't work
EndSection

Section "Module"
   Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension
   Load "v4l" # Video for Linux
   Load "extmod"
   Load "type1"
   Load "freetype"
   Load "glx" # 3D layer
   Load "dri" # direct rendering
EndSection

Section "DRI"
   Mode 0666
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier "Keyboard1"
   Driver "Keyboard"
   Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
   Option "XkbLayout" "en_US"
   Option "XkbOptions" ""
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier "Mouse1"
   Driver "mouse"
   Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
   Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
   Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
   Identifier "monitor1"
   VendorName "Plug'n Play"
   ModelName "Royal Information Company TRL/RIC DH-1764M/DH-1764"
   HorizSync 30-70
   VertRefresh 50-160

   # Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)?
   # 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync
   ModeLine "1024x480"    65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344   480  488  494  563 -hsync -vsync

   # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output.
   # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync
   ModeLine "768x576"     50.00  768  832  846 1000   576  590  595  630

   # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync
   ModeLine "768x576"     63.07  768  800  960 1024   576  578  590  616
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
   Identifier "monitor2"

   # Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)?
   # 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync
   ModeLine "1024x480"    65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344   480  488  494  563 -hsync -vsync

   # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output.
   # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync
   ModeLine "768x576"     50.00  768  832  846 1000   576  590  595  630

   # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync
   ModeLine "768x576"     63.07  768  800  960 1024   576  578  590  616
EndSection

Section "Device"
   Identifier "device1"
   VendorName "ATI"
   BoardName "ATI Radeon"
   Driver "vesa"
   BusID "PCI:1:14:0"
   Option "DPMS"
EndSection


That is the actual Mandrake code. But I can't edit it because I'm not root. And I will probably be laughed off the face of the earth, but how do I login with root, since Knoppix only has one account. And Mandrake needs me to login as root to change.?? sad.gif


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post Jan 16 2004, 08:16 PM
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Actually, it still doesn't work even if I login as root.

It says that:
The file could not be saved. Please check if you have write permission.

And the write permissons are:
-rw-r--r--

The Owner is:
root - root

I'm logged in as root, and don't the write permissons mean that root can edit the file?? Or am I just a newbie still not knowing what he's talking about??


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I also tried to change the permissions:

Could not change permissions for /mnt/hdb1/etc/X11/XF86Config-4

And got this error.....
How could I change it without getting that.....just one thing after another.


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looks like you are mounting via your knoppix disk ....

(on /mnt/hdb1)

It could be mounted read only ....

You should be able to boot to the Mandrake partition itself and in console mode edit the file with vi, pico, or nano.

Or with the partition mounted at /mnt/hdb1, try the command (in a terminal window as root):

chroot /mnt/hdb1 /bin/bash ... you should then be logged in as root on the mandrake partition ... type the command whoami (in the choroot'ed terminal window) ... if not root, use the command:

su - root

and login as root....

Then use vim, pico, or nano to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (which should be your mandrake config file inside the chroot).


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It still said that it couldn't save it. I'm thinking about giving up on Linux, and maybe if someone has any suggestions, to try a different distro, that would actually work. sad.gif


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Before you give up, I would recommend downloading Fedora Core 1. {For faster downloads (if you have a broadband connection), I recommend bittorrent bittorrent program, FedoraCore BIttorrent Download page ... or if you don't want to use bittorrent, download via http from this page}.

I would recommend combining it with Apt (just download and install the top rpm here.

(you don't need the SRPMS discs ... just the i386 discs)
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To do updates with apt ... use these commands:

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade


To install programs that aren't on the Fedora Core CD's (like mplayer), do the command:

apt-get update
apt-get install mplayer


To search for a program (or somrthing related to a program) use this apt commnad:

apt-get update
apt-cache search mplayer

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